tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186179943535019607.post2767181154965359845..comments2023-10-21T12:35:55.888+01:00Comments on LOLADEVILLE: Opinion : Pastors and the Poverty Debate : A robust response | By: Victor Olugbemiro Loladevillehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14739426399566598825noreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186179943535019607.post-28907776091433457312016-09-27T15:40:05.393+01:002016-09-27T15:40:05.393+01:00Sir, firstly Abraham wasn't promised riches, i...Sir, firstly Abraham wasn't promised riches, it was an added advantage of the covenant but as our writer is pointing out it wasn't the convenat itself. The promise to Abraham was A Great Nation /Land/Blessings extended to his seeds. <br /><br />Secondly by our current day standards of riches.. JESUS was poor... He didn't even have a place to lay his head (Matt 8:20).but the TRUTH is that it shouldn't matter whether rich or poor because that's not important in the scheme of the gospel. <br /><br />Lastly,we can't read the heart to know if motivation to display wealth is carnal or not.i don't think actively displaying wealth goes with the Bible teaching of moderation <br />But bare in mind. The head of the catholic church/Vatican state wears simple and modest whites, prefers public transportation over limousines. I agree that's a personal choice of his, but frankly I added that to show that when you mention his name globally it's associated with different things, flamboyant wealth not being one of them.. The question becomes if a pastors name is mentioned what is it associated with <br />Dotunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186179943535019607.post-18636435929750930622016-09-27T15:08:36.889+01:002016-09-27T15:08:36.889+01:00He is right. Rich is a man made concept.. Attribut...He is right. Rich is a man made concept.. Attributed to people with things we as humans add value to. Rich puts God on a scale.. A human scale.. God is GOD.he can't be measured, GOD Is GOD. God is "Mystical"-a spiritual mystery and fascination, We try to comprehend just a little of the surface that is revealed to us by His spirit that this human body can handle. Dotunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186179943535019607.post-66032264459387126912016-09-20T20:16:13.141+01:002016-09-20T20:16:13.141+01:00I am sorry I was not making a defensive action con...I am sorry I was not making a defensive action concerning any man of God u site didn't upload my true comment that was why I just decided 2 ask that question cos I see no point there when u are actually posting a man of God's picture and don't expect me to conclude u 're referring to him..he is not my pastor neither a relative but I believe when u want write such an article,it's better u do it under no fire back at you...basically my reaction was to the things u said Jesus didn't do and i love to see that it has been clarified by a particular personnel here...God bless...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18377750568776442825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186179943535019607.post-53191254152450406352016-09-19T14:36:06.938+01:002016-09-19T14:36:06.938+01:00May your faith not wave. Many will attack this wri...May your faith not wave. Many will attack this write up with so much apostasy. But the truth remains the truth. The Spirit guide you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186179943535019607.post-10042834355347126382016-09-17T16:27:04.846+01:002016-09-17T16:27:04.846+01:00There's nothing here that'll be of any ben...There's nothing here that'll be of any benefit to a believer if you read it with a defensive ready-to-fight attitude. It's easy to twist these words to make it sound like the writer is anti-prosperity. But if you read it with a mind not to condemn or defend any man of God but rather pick up valuable truths to help you in your own life as a christian; this is a balanced and thought provoking piece. "...As He is, so are we in this world..." We need to reevaluate our focus and what our walk with God is about. <br /><br />God bless you for writing this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186179943535019607.post-86419791437294116432016-09-16T21:11:01.623+01:002016-09-16T21:11:01.623+01:00Hello, the article was NOT written to deride Pasto...Hello, the article was NOT written to deride Pastor Biodun or any other man of God. Mr Victor wrote this shortly after a story on Pastor Biodun's alleged "show off" of his Gucci bag gained traction on social media as well as reactions to the post. And he felt the need to add his two cent. Loladevillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14739426399566598825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186179943535019607.post-50082247492106577082016-09-16T21:09:44.292+01:002016-09-16T21:09:44.292+01:00Hello, the article was NOT written to deride Pasto...Hello, the article was NOT written to deride Pastor Biodun or any other man of God. Mr Victor wrote this shortly after a story on Pastor Biodun's alleged "show off" of his Gucci bag gained traction on social media as well as reactions to the post. And he felt the need to add his two cent. Loladevillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14739426399566598825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186179943535019607.post-16909157071231231552016-09-16T18:38:40.012+01:002016-09-16T18:38:40.012+01:00Please why did u uploaded Past Biodun's pictur...Please why did u uploaded Past Biodun's picture since u never revealed the names of the Pastors u are referring to?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18377750568776442825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186179943535019607.post-72221379048690722342016-09-16T16:36:58.192+01:002016-09-16T16:36:58.192+01:00I'm just curious as to why the pastors picture...I'm just curious as to why the pastors picture is on there what's is it there for? Are we meant to tear him apart or have. A picture finest a wealthy pastor looks like Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03776985376714106345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186179943535019607.post-54020097903701903802016-09-16T16:06:55.998+01:002016-09-16T16:06:55.998+01:00So deep... So so deepSo deep... So so deepAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07301726476807797157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186179943535019607.post-68114150492556871322016-09-16T14:31:31.514+01:002016-09-16T14:31:31.514+01:00Thank you!!! Thank you!!! THE PROPHECY NAIJAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16726707828118457262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186179943535019607.post-35656929439765187272016-09-16T13:17:41.942+01:002016-09-16T13:17:41.942+01:00Great write.
*Currently chewing*Great write.<br />*Currently chewing*Pundithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11711900886553755434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186179943535019607.post-13964570270255820492016-09-16T12:29:59.580+01:002016-09-16T12:29:59.580+01:00Mr anonymous, if you're so sure of your stance...Mr anonymous, if you're so sure of your stance why remain faceless? Be proud of your view and own it! #JustSayingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186179943535019607.post-61308226433408065772016-09-16T10:18:27.828+01:002016-09-16T10:18:27.828+01:00Lovely insight.... God bless you and enrich you wi...Lovely insight.... God bless you and enrich you with more wisdom. Though i feel your message can still be passed across without the display of any pastor's picture... <br />sometimes, let's try to help other people's heart.<br /><br />but i really enjoyed reading it. God bless you more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186179943535019607.post-58576663090423176562016-09-16T10:13:48.591+01:002016-09-16T10:13:48.591+01:00A piece to be read by all Christians. A piece to be read by all Christians. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14917133173171949184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186179943535019607.post-68265562558992973672016-09-16T08:55:11.824+01:002016-09-16T08:55:11.824+01:00Shun sir!Shun sir!Adesojihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06578595329516701584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186179943535019607.post-65416127460076649732016-09-16T07:43:01.117+01:002016-09-16T07:43:01.117+01:00Wjat is this headache about being rich as a pastor...Wjat is this headache about being rich as a pastor?! A lot of us havung headache about being this definitely have a lot of habits Christ would want us to shed but here criticising wealth of pastors! Salvation is all encompassing! Deliveranve from darkness, sin, sickness, ppverty! Etc if you decide not to activate all areas your headache please stop hating!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186179943535019607.post-12807821358767325922016-09-16T03:49:51.041+01:002016-09-16T03:49:51.041+01:00Well done.....Rich or Poor, I take this, remaining...Well done.....Rich or Poor, I take this, remaining focused on the one thing, eternal life.....it is just spirit sense...not common sense!Tmarvelzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08421567571623752089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186179943535019607.post-7082198990651432892016-09-16T03:41:36.165+01:002016-09-16T03:41:36.165+01:00No. Flesh and blood did not reveal this to him at ...No. Flesh and blood did not reveal this to him at all. As a matter of personal principle, I do not get into debates that start out to tarnish Christ. This one provides clarity on the issue. As such, I have shared it on my Facebook tl and will be a reference document for a long time to come. Thanks for this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186179943535019607.post-386993111237879082016-09-16T02:30:47.647+01:002016-09-16T02:30:47.647+01:00Thanks for the article. It is quite detailed and p...Thanks for the article. It is quite detailed and points well laid out.<br /><br />There are a few points to note though;<br /><br />1. Poverty is not the absence of money. It is much more than that. It is a lack of ability which results in the lack of required necessity.<br />2. There is no account of any man in scriptures who walked with God and remained poor. This shows that God intends for His children to be rich<br />3. The word rich was introduced in scriptures by God, not man. Riches were a part of the terms of the Abrahamic covenant. Being heirs of this promise, it is expected that by aligning ourselves with the Abrahamic principles of faith, trust and obedience, riches will of a surety show up<br />4. Irrespective of whether or not you operate in the 5 fold ministry offices (Pastors, Teachers, Evangelists, Prophets, Apostles) you are first a believer. Being a believer, if you apply the biblical principles of prosperity, you will prosper. Therefore a minister whi lives the Word will prosper<br />5. There is a difference between a show of wealth and a perceived show of wealth. No man can judge another of flaunting his wealth. The issue here is a thing of the heart and only God can see the heart. Note, there are some of us believers that are so blessed that the proceeds of the blessing cannot be hidden. Until you know my heart, you cant truly tell whether or not my display is carnally motivated.<br />6. If we all focus on the Word, we will realise that these unecessary debates are a ploy of the devil to distract us. I do not believe an unbeliever has a right to dictate how the believer should live. A goat cannot tell a dog how to bark. Let us shine our lights so bright that men will see us and glorify God.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186179943535019607.post-57801394764248915612016-09-16T00:48:29.988+01:002016-09-16T00:48:29.988+01:00Contradictions Contradictions Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186179943535019607.post-12077244691094769692016-09-15T23:58:00.821+01:002016-09-15T23:58:00.821+01:00Well said bro! But I'd rather be a wealthy and...Well said bro! But I'd rather be a wealthy and influential believer like Cornelius in Acts 10, The Centurion in Luke 7, The Ethiopian in Acts 8:26 and many more. You don't need to be rich to make heaven and neither will poverty make you go to hell. As for me, I choose to live in abundance as a believer, empowering the poor and propagating the gospel. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186179943535019607.post-16863624004914070812016-09-15T22:15:13.453+01:002016-09-15T22:15:13.453+01:00Anything we can get without Christ (e.g wealth) is...Anything we can get without Christ (e.g wealth) is NOT the reason Christ died. What then will you use to attract the man/woman who is rich in material things but poor in his Spirit - in need of a regenerated spirit ? The undiluted message of Jesus Christ present in love (persistently) is enough. Trust the Holy Spirit.@air_mekahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18301861086278903972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186179943535019607.post-6709586058801029622016-09-15T22:02:43.870+01:002016-09-15T22:02:43.870+01:00I think it is imperative that I make certain clari...I think it is imperative that I make certain clarifications. I am not against Christians attaining wealth, that was stated categorically in the article. I also gave examples of very wealthy men that we read of in the bible. Christ died, primarily that we might attain salvation. Being rich is only an added advantage. The point I made, which has been misconstrued, is that as Christians, there is something of greater value to us than material riches that we should pursue. In doing that, God himself will bless us. The question then remains, when God blesses us, what do we do with it? <br />Yes, we must not be poor before God's splendour is seen in us, but must we be rich before God's splendour is seen in us? More importantly, what exactly do you understand as the splendour of God?<br />I can understand that our limited understanding as humans makes us explain God with human attributes, but the truth is, the entirety of who God is, is beyond human comprehension. However, in scriptures, He has revealed some aspects of Himself to us and that is how we know that God is spirit. <br />I suggest you read Phillipians 2:1-11 for you to have an understanding of the humility of Jesus Christ and the resultant effect, then weigh the actions of these men of God against the life Jesus lived on earth and see if there is any correlation.<br />As for using copious portions of scripture; is it not better to use copious portions of scripture than basing all my arguments on just one passage of the bible?<br />I cannot change your perception of my motives for writing this piece, but let me state that I only sought to right the wrong that has become prevalent among Christians and to point people in the right direction. If you can show me errors that are a reflection of a personal opinion in this article, using the bible as reference, then I am absolutely willing to make the necessary adjustments. Till then, I stand by every single word written.OluOluhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00655975161949285020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186179943535019607.post-5584305108804370812016-09-15T21:09:27.210+01:002016-09-15T21:09:27.210+01:00To be wealthy as a pastor or a believer is not the...To be wealthy as a pastor or a believer is not the problem. The problem is to be rich and yet not using it to propagate the gospel of Christ. Sweet JesusAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07870183861692320670noreply@blogger.com